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Tom Gabriel Fischer



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Into The Pandemonium Reply with quote

Baphomet wrote:
Was the cover motive of Into The Pandemonium inspired by Black Sabbath's Greatest Hits album? The cover is a mirrored portion of The Triumph of Death by Pieter Brueghel the Elder.


This is an intriguing topic to say the least.

I am utterly astonished - to avoid the word "shocked" - about the similarities in these two cover concepts. I don't think I have ever seen this greatest hits album by Black Sabbath (as a die hard fan of Black Sabbath since I was a young teenager, I owned/own all the official albums and did/do not need to obtain a greatest hits package). I m not even sure whether it is reproduced in any of the books I own on Black Sabbath, but as I am writing this from the studion in Germany, I am unable to check.

Looking at Baphomet's post, the similarities in these covers are obvious. The front and back cover art for the album was Martin's idea, the inside gatefold art was proposed by me. I cannot recall Martin ever telling me that he might have obtained the inspitation for "Into The Pandemonium" from an external source.

As stated above, I am astonished.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking at Black Sabbath's backcatalogue, what do you consider their best album? And are you also fan of the later incarnations of Sabbath, with Dio, Gillan, Hughes and Martin?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tom told me at the concert of Heaven and Hell in Zurich that he never liked Born Again. He compared this album even with Cold Lake. I can not agree, even if this record is not at all my favorite album of Black Sabbath. But songs such as Disturbing the Priest, Zero the Hero, Trashed and the title song definitely have everything that defines brilliant songs by Black Sabbath. And the concert of this tour in Frauenfeld Switzerland was absolutely fantastic, better than the various gigs with Tony Martin, whom I saw.

I love all the classic Sabbath albums with Ozzy and Dio. They are all brilliant recordings. The weakest phase of Black Sabbath are clearly the albums with Tony Martin, even though there are some great songs on it. Tony Martin's problem is that his stage presence is not strong enough to bring new fans in. Tony is one of the greatest voices in Rock, but it's true that he lacks a little stage charisma. He has the same problem as Tim Ripper Owens. Nowadays, Owens is definitely a better technical singer than Halford, but even with his voice not being what it was anymore, Rob would blow Ripper off the stage any day.

The concert, which I mentioned at the beginning, was one of the best gigs by Black Sabbath, which I have ever seen. Even just the twenty-minute version of Heaven and Hell was worth the ticket! I saw Black Sabbath already a dozen times. My first concert I saw was in 1976 in Zurich at the Technical Ecstasy tour. Black Sabbath is still my favorite band!

I hope that Black Sabbath record another album as Heaven and Hell. I do not want to see another reunion tour with Ozzy. Ozzy's time is over now and his voice is definitely shot. And Ozzy suing Tony is like Paul DiAnno suing Steve Harris...

I have always looked at Seventh Star as a solo album by Tony Iommi. For me it was never a Sabbath album, though songs like Seventh Star and Heart Like a Wheel are fantastic.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am mostly in agreement with Baphomet's views above. It took me a while to understand Born Again, but some 13 years or so after I bought the CD, I am proud to have it in my collection (I would LOVE a poster!).

Disturbing the Priest carries much of it for me, as it's a bizarre and incredibly evil sounding song. To me, it was their most bizarre song since "Black Sabbath".

Out of the Ozzy era, I enjoy Technical Ecstasy the least, though the artwork and the moments within still hold it up for me. I enjoy Never Say Die! and I enjoyed some of the different things they added to it. They did try new and different stuff, but they were sounding tired, no doubt.

It's hard to top the sound and feel of the original album. My picks for that era might be Black Sabbath Vol. 4 and the absolutely brilliant Sabbath Bloody Sabbath.

Now that I'm familiar with the Seventh Star album, I'm not particularly fond of it. I enjoy the intro to Seventh Star and the song itself, but I find the low quality live version I've posted from Youtube superior. Don't care for the rest. It's not Sabbath. I have conceded that.

There are moments in the Martin era, but my pick is TYR. It works for me.

I love the Dio era stuff. So happy Iommi saved his real doom for this era and wrote differently according to the configurations of the band. To me, some of Sabbath's best came from the Dio years.

Forbidden is horrid, but supposedly, what got Tony out of the Sabbath deal with the previous label. This is something Martin contends was a process that took several years, was unknown to him until after the fact, and was intended at a planned reunion with Ozzy that was planned as early as the early 90's.

I am so happy about the H&H live recording, and like Baphomet, I hold the 15 or so minute Heaven and Hell track in such high regard. What an incredible arrangement, along with "Voodoo" and others.

You guys are lucky, however. Never saw Sabbath live. I missed the boat on that one several times now. Glad to hear you guys enjoyed it.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never was a big fan of "Born Again" too, although I like the songs Baphomet has mentioned.

I also always looked at "Seventh Star" as a Tony Iommi solo album. There are some good tunes on it, but the title track is amazing. Eric Singer did a great job with the guys.

With Tony Martin, "Eternal Idol" probably is my favorite.

I love the Dio era and "Mob Rules" is my Black Sabbath favorite album.

I also like all the albums recorded with Ozzy and I have a special sympathy for "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" (with some experimental stuffs) and "Sabotage". Intesting at that time to know that Spock Wall was in fact Rick Wakeman.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mob Rules is my favorite album too! In my opinion it is even better and more balanced than Heaven and Hell, which had two weak songs.

And I have a special sympathy for Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage because these were the first albums by Black Sabbath which I bought. Especially Sabotage was my favorite album. I listened to this album thousands of times...

Deni, have you seen Heaven and Hell live in May in Sao Paulo?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sabotage pleasantly surprised me, as the last Sabbath album I got was NSD! I almost "forgot" that Sabbath could be so heavy and so dark.

The coincidence about this was I was going to start a "Sabbath" thread and/or a doom thread in the General area, but really didn't know how to start it off. I've recently renewed my obsession with Sabbath, along with expanding my range to cover more doom, including a fascination with the almost natural progression of doom into stoner realms.

I'm really happy it came up naturally and there is, for lack of a less pussy way of saying it, good energy coming out of such talks of our memories.

The option stands to open threads for that, keep the talk here, or split this portion off so we can speak freer, without too much worry about derailment. I'll defer until that point, or if Baphomet would like it to be. Naturally, if Tom chimes in about Sabbath, then we won't split off anything Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no problem with it if you split this off and move it into the general discussion and open a new thread. But it would be fantastic if Tom chimes in about Sabbath since we all know that he is a die hard fan of Black Sabbath too!

Tom, did you meet Tony Iommi in person at Wacken?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baphomet wrote:

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Mob Rules is my favorite album too! In my opinion it is even better and more balanced than Heaven and Hell, which had two weak songs.

And I have a special sympathy for Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage because these were the first albums by Black Sabbath which I bought. Especially Sabotage was my favorite album. I listened to this album thousands of times...

Deni, have you seen Heaven and Hell live in May in Sao Paulo?


Still about "Mob Rules", the Vinnie Appice performance on it is fantastic!

I couldn't go the Heaven and Hell show, since I was caring of my father, who was fighting against a cancer since March, 2008. Sadly I lost him on last Thursday (27, August). I'm the only son.

I have seen Black Sabbath live in So Paulo in 1993, during the "Dehumanizer" tour. It was incridible. After the show I and some friends followed the members of the band until the hotel where they were stay. Geoff Nicholls was the only one that night who gaves us an autograph.

What do you think about "The Devil You Know", comparing it with the others 3 releases with Dio?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Deni,

My condolences.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deni,

My condolences too. I wish you much strenght in these times.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deni,

My condolences too. I lost my mother nearly four years ago also due to cancer. I wish you the very best and much strength in these hard times.

I really like The Devil You Know. I think that this is the best Black Sabbath album since the release of Dehumanizer.

The following clips are from the Rockpalast gig in Bonn. Enjoy it!

Mob Rules http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij7JAhcruNI
I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp1PLoWAUr8
Bible Black http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Sdz7fP-p_0
Time Machine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxpQKBQw2dU
Vinny Appice drum solo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUJQM6l86pE
Fear http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhHXG7i1_LQ
Falling of the Edge of the World http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn6XhVoY9EE
Die Young http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-gQAy-Bss0
Follow The Tears http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ShteXSqlKo
Heaven And Hell (Part 1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDItgSfVZ7g
Heaven And Hell (Part 2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKgMHKS-kdo
Country girl/Neon Knights http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEKrX9oCvZY
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deni,

My sincere condolences also.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deni -- please accept my condolences for your loss.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vibes heading your way from this side of the ether Deni.

Good to see some 'Sabotage' love. I do so dearly adore that record even if Bill Ward in his red tights is a sight I'd rather not have seen. Very Happy

And the new Heaven And Hell record was just plain awesome. How Iommi can still pull those doom riffs out of the hat after all these years is frankly astonishing.
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